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Between Pain and Grace ☃ [PDF / Epub] ☂ Between Pain and Grace By Gerald W. Peterman ✑ – Why is there suffering When will it end Where is God in itDespite how common suffering is we still struggle to understand it and even to bear through it Between Pain and Grace gets to the heart of th Why is there suffering When will it end Where is God in itDespite how common suffering is we still struggle to understand it and even to bear through it Between Pain and Grace gets to the heart of this struggle Its honest and detailed portrait of life challenges our assumptions about pain emotion and God himselfBorn from a popular college course on suffering this book answers critical uestions like  Is God personally involved in our pain and sufferingHow should Christians handle Between Pain PDF \ emotions like grief and angerWhat does the Bible say about issues like mental illness sexual abuse and family betrayalStriking an elegant balance between being scholarly and pastoral Between Pain and Grace is useful in the classroom churches and for personal reading The authors draw from Scripture personal experience and even psychological research to offer a well rounded and trustworthy take on suffering  Between Pain and Grace will give you confidence in God’s sovereignty comfort in His presence and wisdom for life this side of paradise It will also make you tender and better prepared to respond to the suffering of others read it today for a richer realistic relationship with God.

10 thoughts on “Between Pain and Grace

  1. Tom Brennan Tom Brennan says:

    This is a rare book Not in the sense that it is hard to find for it isn't No I mean in the sense that what it does is rare It produced in me freuent exclamations of oh that's good along with eually freuent scrawls of gobbledygook in the margin It is a book that is at once both very good and very bad I really wanted to give it four stars and two stars but that being impossible I settled on three So how is it excellent? First in its embrace of Scripture One of the first things I do with a book that claims to be a theological work is to look at the Scripture index This one is thorough That's excellent They discuss a wide range of passages and a wide range of biblical examples in the process of building a theology of suffering Just as good though is the thought provoking principles they pull from those texts This is absolutely a biblical book It shows freuently That alone makes it worth both reading and studyingHow is it gobbledygook then? First and most in its aggravatingly annoying academic asininity Metanarratives and relational ecosystems are flung around like manhole covers Entire chapters sections pages paragraphs and sentences are unreadable psychobabble in both term and content After solemnly declaring they will write a scriptural book they abandon that often especially in the second half They cheekily declare that certain problems aren't addressed enough in Scripture so they must bring in all kinds of external perspective I'm not afraid of a book that makes me think I'm not afraid of a book that makes me use a dictionary But I weary of a book that plunks an entire ivory tower of nonsensical verbiage and isolated naval gazing down on my head while claiming to be biblical Then to add injury to insult they cite a jillion different versions of the Bible cherry picking whichever one they want and freuently correcting the ones they do citeMake no mistake it is a valuable book if you have an iron stomach I intend to pull much from it But I wouldn't send anyone other than an experienced and godly person to it It is in a word a mixed multitude

  2. Joyce Joyce says:

    I'm on page 74 of 300 If I stop here I am assured of missing much However this being the second book in a very short time by teaching staff at Moody Bible Institute and published by Moody Publishers I am really hesitant to continue Here's whyFirst off I did not expect this to be a textbook but it is Okay I've read lots of textbooks I can get into this But it's than that Something just doesn't jive So I go looking yet again for information on the authors trying to figure out what it is that doesn't set right with me I began with the oft uoted Terence E Fretheim heretofore unknown to me Red flag because he is so often uoted not in comparison but as the main thought Every other sentence has a note It appears Fretheim is a Lutheran That in itself is not bad but it may indicate a different approach to theologyAbandoning that search I went back to the two authors both of which are strong academics not so much on theology in my opinion I uote the following from Andrew Schmutzer's LinkedIn page About sectionMy approach is collaborative I actually believe that the disciplines need each other and the gravity of social problems in fact reuires a multi factoral address So I'm interested in serving on think tanks and boards willing to be comprised of an ecumenical perspective of church life orthodoxy and complex social theological issues facing us today A SchmutzerSince he wrote the chapter I am in the midst of this sheds some light on his less than theological theology It's not always what a person knows or the method in which they study or parse the information but the lens through which they see it all which we currently call their worldview I have a problem learning from someone whose worldview extends too far beyond the covers of Scripture especially when what I'm reading is labelled 'theological and biblical' Very little use of Scripture too many translations too much 'higher ed' talk I don't want to learn about who God is this way It may be a good reference book for men in ministry but I do not recommend it for others I am so disappointed I really wanted to like this book And I'm totally not understanding what's going on at MoodyI received my copy of this book from the publisher in exchange for my honest review All opinions are my own

  3. George P. George P. says:

    Gerald W Peterman and Andrew J Schmutzer Between Pain and Grace A Biblical Theology of Suffering Chicago Moody 2016American Christians don’t know how to suffer well On the one hand we think the life of faith should be victorious and joyful so suffering seems like a defeat and a downer On the other hand because suffering seems like a defeat and a downer it must be caused by insufficient faith or obedience on our partNeither hand is biblical of course Instead both reflect the chirpy optimism and can do individualism of modern culture “If it’s going to be” we often hear “it’s up to me” The corollary of this sentiment is obvious but ignored “If it doesn’t happen it’s my fault”What American Christians need is a biblical theology of suffering—one that recognizes life’s hardness without blaming the victims Between Pain and Grace by Gerald Peterman and Andrew Schmutzer does just that It situates Christian experience smack dab in the middle of the now but not yet of the gospelIn our current metanarrative—the overarching narrative of human life for those of Christian faith—we find two opposing ualities existing side by side; indeed they are sometimes mixed together First there is death and those things that go along with it such as suffering sin frustration betrayal violence corruption and groaning Second there are blessings of the gospel new life redemption the indwelling Spirit adoption hope life in God’s community and ongoing transformationTruly the Christian life means to exist between two worlds the old world of sin alienation and death and the new world of righteousness holiness and lifeUntil Christ returns this both and uality cannot be resolved God alone can “wipe every tear from their eyes” with finality Revelation 214 That doesn’t mean there are no actions the Christian community can take to ameliorate existing suffering or to prevent future suffering We can and must do both Indeed “God always uses human agents to carry his plan forward” emphasis in originalStill suffering is an intrinsic part of life in the present age so it is a duty of Christians to understand it better so they can minister to its victims with greater compassion and healing The authors contribute to a better understanding of suffering by outlining the “basics of affliction in Scripture” in chapter 1 Chapter 2 turns to “the relational ecosystem of sin and suffering” that is the relationship of God to humanity of humans to one another to animals and to the inanimate created orderChapters 3 and 4 are theological They describe the suffering of God and of Jesus Against classical philosophical theism which teaches that God does not suffer and against panentheism which teaches that God is not sovereign over suffering the authors describe God as a “caring King” the One characterized by “willing vulnerability” emphasis in originalChapter 5 argues that the Church needs to recover the practice of lamentation that is “the language of lament” The lament—whether individual or corporate—is the most common form of prayer in the Psalms Contemporary Christians are often uncomfortable with laments’ frank complaining to God—eg “My God my God why have you forsaken me? Psalm 221 Without lament however sufferers can’t make sense of what’s happening to or in themselves “The very structure of lament brings shape to the formlessness of suffering” For me personally this was the best chapter in the bookThe remaining chapters discuss a variety of topics “redemptive anger” chapter 6; “suffering prayer and worldview” chapter 7; “leadership and tears” chapter 8; “family toxins” chapter 9; sexual abuse chapter 10; mental illness chapter 11; and the role of the Christian community in ameliorating and preventing suffering chapter 12 Each of these chapters mines Scripture for wisdom on the topics as well as draws on the best of the social sciences The discussion of “family toxins” in chapter 9 for example puts the story of the Patriarchs Abraham Isaac Jacob and Joseph into fruitful dialogue with family systems therapy It is a tour de force Chapter 13 brings the book to a conclusion by reflecting on the “metanarrative” of Scripture which progressives in the arc of “Creation è Devastation è Restoration” In Christ God’s devastated creation is being restored—at the individual social and cosmic levelsBetween Pain and Grace is not always easy reading and like most books on hard topics readers will find all sorts of nits to pick Nonetheless Gerald Peterman and Andrew Schmutzer have written a valuable treatment of a difficult subject I highly recommend itPS If you found my review helpful please vote “Yes” on my com review page

  4. Michele Morin Michele Morin says:

    Pain Emotion and GodElisabeth Elliot coined the most memorable definition of human suffering that I have ever heard “Suffering is wanting what you don’t have — or having what you don’t want” These words came to mind often as I read Between Pain and Grace because Gerald W Peterman and Andrew J Schmutzer have initiated a fresh conversation which does not claim to be the last word on suffering but is characterized by the scope depth and fidelity one would expect from two of Moody Bible Institute’s theology professorsMy attention was arrested immediately by the authors’ careful distinction between pain and suffering Consider thisPain — “primarily objective external and typically social or physical as opposed to personal and mental”Suffering — “primarily subjective internal and typically mental or emotional”This distinction is important because not all pain is received as suffering — just ask an Olympic gymnast or a brand new mum Conversely those with leprosy or diabetic neuropathy would welcome pain as a means to alleviate the suffering that occurs when they injure their insensitive extremities Dr Eric Cassell chimes in with the succinct conclusion that “the only way to learn whether suffering is present is to ask the sufferer”A biblical theology of suffering must include the truth that Scripture provides a voice for those who suffer; it acknowledges the reality of innocent suffering; and without moralizing it affirms the presence of God in the midst of pain I never tire of hearing the truth that God is fluent in the language of lament He has graciously appointed “script writers” in the psalms and prophets and throughout Scripture honest expressions of grief are portrayed as a “natural exhale of worship”Because a lively faith is open to the uncomfortable uestions and painful stories of those who suffer the church gathered must be clear in its identity as a safe place for the expression of grief and disappointment Counselors individuals dealing with dysfunctional families and those who have experienced sexual abuse or who are dealing in some way with mental illness will appreciate the authors’ frank discussion of these topics as they relate to what the Scripture says about pain and sufferingThe term “relational ecosystem” runs as a theme throughout Between Pain and Grace affirming the fact that there is no such thing as a private or contained sin The relational ecosystem of God’s creation has been shaken to its roots by sin and this is seen at every levelGod with mankind;man with woman;humanity with animals;and humanity with the groundBrokenness abounds and the outcome is alienation Anger sends out generational shock waves that are amply illustrated in Old Testament family dysfunction Peterman and Schmutzer refer to David’s family life as a “relational debris field” acknowledging that we all are part of “interlocking relationships” that surround us “like the rings of a tree”Our relational ecosystem tangled as it is in personal weakness and sin another fascinating distinction that the authors delineate demonstrates the efficacy of the redemption that comes to us in the midst of our brokenness Because God Himself chose a path of vulnerability for His Son the record of Scripture is that God experiences pain and “a theology of a suffering God is evident throughout the testimony of Scripture” God’s transcendence is balanced by His immanence as evidenced in His compassionate love His relatedness with His creation and His willingness to risk relationallyLooking at The Lord’s Prayer through the lens of pain gives it a fresh application for in Matthew 6 Jesus provides a model for prayer in a suffering world a challenge to transcend our worries and pain by focusing first on “God’s honor God’s good and God’s moral reuirements”Opening one’s life to spiritual leadership roles also opens the door to some uniue forms of suffering — rejection hopelessness and discontentment We follow a Savior who entered into suffering voluntarily Peterman and Schmutzer assert that leaders have likewise made that choice but then offer the encouragement that tears shed are part of the leader’s path to Christ likenessSince suffering is unavoidable on a fallen planet this uestion is also unavoidable for the thinking believer What needs to happen in the space between pain and grace? For most people including the Apostle Paul it holds a journey of acceptance a yielding of expectations and most important of all a commitment to receive the gift of suffering from the hand of an all wise and sovereign GodThis book was provided by Moody Publishers in exchange for my review I am disclosing this in accordance with the Federal Trade Commission’s 16 CFR Part 255 “Guides Concerning the Use of Endorsements and Testimonials in Advertising”

  5. Joan Joan says:

    The authors have provided a biblical theology of suffering for pastors ministry leaders counselors and others in church leadership It is aimed at understanding our suffering based on biblical texts It centers on what the Bible says about suffering well and helping others in their sufferingThere are some thought provoking issues in this book The one that struck me with the most force is our lack of lament There is no place for lament in our church services even though a good percentage of those in the pews are suffering The authors draw attention to “our dis ease with engaging suffering in corporate worship” Expressions of pain and suffering are not welcome in church We wear facades instead This section of the book made me wonder how the church can engage misery and give voice to those sufferingAnother issue is the suffering of God The authors investigate that concept and how an understanding of the suffering of God helps those who have known pain I found their discussion of fear was interesting too especially whether it is always a sin We are reminded of Jesus' experience of fear in the garden There is also a discussion of the role of anger and how it can be redemptive An exploration of forgiveness is included tooAn insightful topic for me was the difference between pain and suffering Pain is external and objective It is a thing Suffering is internal and subjective It is an experience Their discussion about the relationship of suffering to desires goals and sin was very enlighteningThis is a good book for pastors counselors and others who want to help people live through suffering with grace maturity patience insight and proper action The authors have included great chapters on the dysfunctional family sexual abuse and mental illness It is rather academic in style for example writing about the “relational ecosystem” in Genesis Lay people may find it a bit too academic There are uestions included at the end of each chapter so the book could be used as a study by a church or counseling staffI was raised in a denomination that was rather stoic This book really helped me understand the necessity of giving voice to suffering Silencing the voice only intensifies the suffering I recommend this book to leaders hoping others will also gain a glimpse of the importance of giving voice to the suffering It is not a book to give to those in the midst of suffering howeverI received a complimentary egalley of this book from the publisher for the purpose of an independent and honest review

  6. Kimberly Kimberly says:

    Between Pain and Grace A Biblical Theology of Suffering by Gerald W Peterman Andrew J Schmutzer answers uestions according to the Bible and what God has to say about this subject When I first started this book I wasn't sure I was going to like it but what an eye opener it isI was very interested in reading this as I watched my Mother who was dying with cancer as she suffered and the pain she endured And as for myself I have suffered many things throughout my lifetime I am now living with chronic pain So yes you might understand why this is a book I would be uite interested inThe authors take us on a journey through the Bible to show us how God is in pain himself How it must break the heart of God to see how the people he has created behave so badly toward each other and destroy the earth he made for us to enjoy Let's not forget how Jesus suffered for ALL of us so that we can one day make Heaven our home Who are we to expect any less suffering or pain than our Father in Heaven and our Savior? With chapters titled1 The Grammar of Suffering Basics of Affliction In Scripture 2 The Relational Ecosystem of Sin and Suffering3 The Suffering of God4 Emotions and the Suffering of Jesus5 Longing to Lament Returning to the Language of Suffering6 Suffering and Redemptive Anger7 The Lord's Prayer Suffering Prayer and Worldview8 Leadership and Tears9 Joseph's Tears Suffering From Family Toxins10 Sexual Abuse Suffering a Host of Betrayals11 Inner Darkness The Uniue Suffering of Mental Illness12 Suffering and God's People Community Renewal and Ethics13 The Metanarrative RenewedThe authors use Biblical scripture to explain pain and suffering to us in each chapter along with thoughts and uestions at the end to get us thinking for ourselvesOne of my favorite uotes from this bookFocus on your healing not the politics of being a victimI highly recommend this book to both Christians and Non Christians alikeI received an ARC advanced readers copy from Moody's Publishers and NetGallery in exchange for my honest review rather it be good or bad

  7. Julius Julius says:

    Gerald W Peterman and Andrew J Schmutzer's Between Pain Grace A Biblical Theology of Suffering explores one of the toughest theological problems in the Christian faith Suffering It's the focus of so much resistance to the Faith as well as the subject of so many songs and stories that fill our cultural dialogue and identity Suffering it seems is ubiuitous and personal And the biblical writers wrote as often about it as any other theme Psalms in fact is filled with laments both individual and corporate Lamentations expresses the suffering of a nation under oppression and in exile Peter and Paul both express the sufferings of congregations under oppressive thumbs of political and social institutions as well as address what it means to overcome in those situations And the prophet of the Book of Revelation is intimately aware of suffering Of course the narratives about Jesus are littered with what the humanity of God looks like in confrontation with the principalities and powers of human sufferingThe biblical material in fact is so vast that Peterman and Schmutzer have uite a bit from which to choose And therefore so much to sayThey say it masterfully too Pain and suffering really is ubiuitous and they reuire pastoral lives tempered with the Good News That's what readers find in Between Pain GraceWhile I disagree with some conclusions Peterman and Schmutzer reach about some of the biblical material it's hard to dismiss this little book It offers so much fodder for the Church to begin to reflect on the Gospel and what it does and says in the face of so much human pain and suffering even in the face of so much suffering throughout creation Here are two authors who point doggedly and with conviction at Jesus as the graceful response of God to all that cosmic pain and sufferingI received a free copy of this book from Moody Publishing in exchange for my honest review here

  8. Debbie Debbie says:

    Between Pain and Grace provides a Biblical view of pain and suffering It has an academic tone and appears to be aimed mostly at Christian leaders and counselors The authors believe that God is both all good and all powerful Much of the book focused on what the Bible says about the topic either in teachings or in historical narrativesThey started by discussing pain suffering and the difference between them They explored the origins of suffering as found in Genesis and discussed the verses where either God or Jesus is described as suffering They discussed the language of lament in the Bible and urge the modern church to use laments in their services They looked at redemptive anger against injustice which leads to action to make things right and the Lord's Prayer They talked about the role of Christians and Christian leaders regarding suffering especially how they act toward suffering people in their church They devote a chapter each to fractured families sexual abuse and mental illnessThis is probably not a book you want to hand someone in fresh deep emotional pain but it is a good look at the theology of suffering and how the church as a whole can better help those who are sufferingI received an ebook review copy of this book from the publisher through NetGalley

  9. Michelle Kidwell Michelle Kidwell says:

    Between Pain and GraceA Biblical Theology of Sufferingby Gerald W Peterman Andrew J SchmutzerMoody PublishersSelf Help ChristianPub Date 07 Jun 2016I was given a copy of Between Pain and Grace through the publisher and their partnership with Netgalley in exchange for my honest review which is as followsThe author starts this book by pointing out the fact that there is a difference between pain and suffering and the authors go on to talk about the relationship between pain and suffering The authors remind us too that we can experience suffering even when there is an absence of physical pain and just as there can be suffering without pain there can alse be pain without suffering Peterman and Schmutzer points out there is a relationship between sin and suffering And that Jesus himself endured suffering If you are looking for a book on Pain and Suffering and Grace from a Biblical perspective then Between Pain and Grace is just the ticketI give this book five out of five starsHappy Reading

  10. Jessica Jessica says:

    OK this book was amazing for me I suffer from Fibromyalgia Endometriosis and I can attest to the fact that if God wasn't by my side through the bad days months years I would be a completely different person Constant chronic pain changes you and it's hard not to take it out of those you love This book answers uestions the hard uestions that you've been asking yourself as long as you've had pain suffering It's chalk full of things you need to really make the wisdom it offers sink in Again I love when a book doesn't just load you up on advice but offers real stories from real people I would recommend this book for everyone not just a person dealing with pain but ones who suffer from mental illnesses This book needs to be read by everyone those that suffer and those that love people who suffer

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